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Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 726	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:20:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: I've seen reports of outposts not giving the correct cost reductions but it seems to be working on my test server; it's possible I've misunderstood the reports though? More info here would be good! -Greyscale We are not receiving the cost reduction to install fees in amarr outposts (ME bonuses seem to be working). When this was reported, we were told that feature was axed. When it was pointed out that it was explicitly included in the final dev blog, there was some hemming and hawing and then "we'll work on it". So is this actually going to be implemented? Also, we badly need a better breakdown in-game of what's contributing to install costs.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:29:00 - [2] - Quote I think that compressing ore in stations needs to be looked at. We're a month in, and compressed ore is still not available in any real volume at reasonable prices. Also, about the outpost pricing bug, here is the 'intended behavior' thing: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4888288#post4888288
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:34:00 - [3] - Quote However, to not be a negative nancy: the patch has been a huge success and people are bidding on teams routinely (though with the sniping problem), highseccers have dared to even grab some teams I wanted, local industry has gotten a shot in the arm in 0.0 and we've noticed that we're now selling significant amounts of T2 stuff in null instead of shipping to jita. It's been a big success and all of the issues are more 'sand this rough edge a bit' instead of 'god this sucks'.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:10:00 - [4] - Quote The invention job cost should not include the cost of the interfaces (as those are not used up).
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:29:00 - [5] - Quote Scaugh wrote: Querns wrote: Drago Shouna wrote: I don't know what the answer is, but I do feel that if anyone could compress ore in any station it would quickly become worthless. Yes you'd get your minerals, but it would soon become pointless as selling raw ore or minerals would still be more viable due to the competition. It'd be worth at least 10-20% more than the minerals are worth, just because nullsec can afford to pay that much more for it. i did a basic spreadsheet and I can refine in a highsec station without the RX04 implant and the resulting minerals are worth more than the ore. Using the RX04 implant just about doubles the profits. So i guess the big market guys are not paying enough for high sec ores and does not incentiveise me to compress. You need to compress the ore. Go look at compressed ore prices.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:21:00 - [6] - Quote SJ Astralana wrote: On the topic of sniping, I'd like to see the bid changed to maximum bid, similar to ebay. In the UI, you would see the current winning bid, but you wouldn't see the winning bid's maximum bid. That way, a bidder can do a valuation, set the maximum, and have incremental bids dropped in until a winner is determined. This would be fantastic.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:53:00 - [7] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Retar Aveymone wrote: The invention job cost should not include the cost of the interfaces (as those are not used up). If you're talking for the calculation for the cost to install the invention job, it doesn't. It's based off the cost to build thing you're inventing to. Source: the numbers match up with my calculator which does it that way. I'm not, I'm talking about the tooltip that estimates how much the job costs. Hover over an invention job you're installing sometime and look at the costs.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:20:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: Can someone show their working on this (ie the calculations you're doing that lead you to conclude that the numbers are wrong) so (again) we can be sure we're looking at the right problem :) I can't, really, because we don't have the information we need. We only have that the tooltip shows no reduction, we have the previous posts agreeing it's not working, and then we have our internal estimates not lining up with where 2R- is. But we never have the raw job data to run through the formula and tell us if it's giving us 2x the value it should. If it is working correctly, I think you need to edit the tooltip to expose the underlying value, then the reduction: if we can't even figure out if this is implemented despite caring a great deal then the game's not exposing the data it should.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:59:00 - [9] - Quote Attached is a screenshot showing YA0 not getting the ME bonus. It should be getting 1% off (our stations with 2% off are also not working): http://i.imgur.com/ccRRuiQ.jpg Also, without the team just for good measure: http://i.imgur.com/w8rETlK.jpg
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 727	Posted - 2014.09.02 17:34:00 - [10] - Quote This is not strictly related to crius, but zyd is currently 400, while nocx is close to 700. This needs to get implemented: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=370404&find=unread Ore anomolies in nullsec are breaking the ability of market forces to adjust mineral production and highend death is the end result.

Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 729	Posted - 2014.09.03 16:19:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: OK, thanks, I'll look into this! 3QE, which should have 3% ME, also gets none: http://i.imgur.com/Ui6YWxA.png My guess is whatever fix you put in works only on Amarrs.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 731	Posted - 2014.09.04 17:56:00 - [12] - Quote Kirin Falense wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: [quote=Kirin Falense] nvmd above, had it bookmarked: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4817233#post4817233 Notice the date, this is right before expansion Thank you. As you pointed out, this information is not easily available, it should have been. If you are trying to abuse patch changover mechanics to gain an advantage, it's on you to keep abreast of exactly what the mechanics are.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 731	Posted - 2014.09.04 18:25:00 - [13] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: LOL I think I had to unanchor, carry to station, repackage and then anchor and online 14-15 labs just to get the slots back after so many starting and cancelling of jobs to get the most benefit from the changeover mechanic. Seemed like every day was a different message. In the end, was a fantastic success, at least personally yeah, my research jobs may have taken an additional three months because I had to cancel and redo once that was posted, but the ME10% supercarrier bpos and the ME9% titan bpo were worth it
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 731	Posted - 2014.09.06 00:01:00 - [14] - Quote Qinby wrote: Wouldn't that just result in that the winning bid ends up with the bid with the highest maximum BUT with the "smallest" possible margin? In other Words the only effect would be to let the Winner to get of cheaper. wrong, this is a well-known solution and the point is that it discourages doing anything but putting your actual max price you want to pay and then waiting for the auction to finish
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 732	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:42:00 - [15] - Quote Qinby wrote: Retar Aveymone wrote: Qinby wrote: Wouldn't that just result in that the winning bid ends up with the bid with the highest maximum BUT with the "smallest" possible margin? In other Words the only effect would be to let the Winner to get of cheaper. wrong, this is a well-known solution and the point is that it discourages doing anything but putting your actual max price you want to pay and then waiting for the auction to finish as far as i know you can do that now :) right now it's a non-optimal strategy like i said this is a well-known solution and you are basically sitting here saying "metal? float? don't be absurd a ship can only be made of wood"
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 732	Posted - 2014.09.06 14:09:00 - [16] - Quote bidding your actual highest price in an auction like this means that you will derive no benefit whatsoever from your teams accordingly it is an immensely dumb bidding strategy
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 732	Posted - 2014.09.08 18:07:00 - [17] - Quote By the way, we recently upgraded a caldari outpost, here: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/3QE-9Q This has three factory improvements (don't ask) and should get -3% materials, but does not. I think that they're not working on any non-amarr.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 732	Posted - 2014.09.08 18:19:00 - [18] - Quote I guess we are only a few weeks away from outproducing jita!
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 734	Posted - 2014.09.08 18:42:00 - [19] - Quote yeah man if we had decent minerals we could do great things (instead i think all of that is t2 ship production)

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